Sigh all you like, but thats not going to magically make physics and biology work differently. However, I do struggle with popular media normalizing unhealthy weights whether over or underweight because they are health risks. What do you mean? By: TrekMovie.com Staff There are admittedly quite a few other Starfleet officers Scotty and Riker, for example who prove that being chunky is still a thing in the future. They told us and a handful of other outlets what to expect for their characters and more. I'm finding Star Trek Discovery to be incredibly dull and childish. But of course this being Star Trek they SPOILER ALERT bring her back to life! Jack perhaps you were at the Dave Chappelle protest screaming Judas, you are starting to sound like the type who gets sensitive over everything. So sayeth Scotty, the contrarian. Yes, The Expanse. | December 23, 2020 | Btw have you come across any good DS9 books about what happened to Sisko or the rest of the crew after the finale? The doctor was usually the therapist. The last novel just came out last year (where does she find the time lol). Its odd that the bridge crew still feels in the background although they are being used more. There are a lot of people in the comments hating, but in a franchise that includes Neelix, Wesley Crusher, Naomi Wildman, Kes, and Lwaxana Troi, Tilly is frankly nowhere near as annoying as those other characters. They should all try for the standards of randos on the internet like you So I think Tilly definitely goes to employ those skills. Editor's note, 23 Dec 2020: If you like Wiseman's interview here, then you should also check out interviewer Dawn Ennis's other work. David Ajala: I think its made Cleveland Booker even more attracted to Michael Burnham because I think he looks and goes Oh, scrumptious. She also revealed some of her inspirations for this version of Tilly: There is a little Azula from Avatar: The Last Airbender in there. Yet, she is. You can absolutely argue that DISCO incorporates too much emotion with their characters (something I agree with to an extent), but I do appreciate how much more real these characters feel compared to past characters (especially in the early seasons of TNG). And with Troi being a betazoid, thats why she was on the bridge. At New York Comic Con, TrekMovie participated in some group interviews with members of the cast and crew,. I think the character would have been much better served if Tillys quirks were something that changed as the character grew over the seasons. She never wouldve made it through the Academy. Disco has a lot of problems storywise But not her looks! I really liked her in the first season. Mary Wiseman: Right, when you use empathy for evil, its manipulation. The Tilly we saw as Earth, check that United (eyeroll) Earth was being evacuated is NOT the same Tilly we saw for the previous 40+ episodes. Fortunately, more than 30 years ago I was encouraged to focus on the health aspects of eating well and training hard and not the aesthetics. Heck I think it was more unrealistic when some chick was upset he wasn't ready for sex. I suppose thats why some places are rising and others are very visibly in decline. Internationally, the series is available on Paramount+ in Australia, Latin America and the Nordics, and on Pluto TV in Austria, France, Germany . I like her personality though, mostly. Right? Its so brutal. Everybody loves is an idiom, it should never be taken as a strict statement. There is also the issue that a crew needing constant therapy sessions while regularly saving the galaxy is not an easy narrative trick to pull off. Yeah, self absorbed is an excellent way to describe her character, Id never thought of it that way. But I think one of the things that leaves everyone feeling unmoored in this situation is they dont even know how to use their skills to deal with this because its something theyve never seen before, and they cant predict it, they dont know by which rules its operating, and how to even engage. Proceed accordingly. Theres a difference between celebrating obesity and accepting individual human beings, treating them as human beings, and not targeting them specifically for emotional harassment. David Ajala: Legit, its still very palpable here. Mary Wiseman: Well what is like the same root of Book but like the polar opposite expression of it? Mary Wiseman: That experience affects her so much this season. Marys my TV crush for the last 3 years. He was non-military, the same height as me, and easily weighed 300#. Just IMHO, because to each his (or her, or their) own! The 60s/70s are gone. Shes responsible for her subordinates and to lead by example. Shes loved. Unfortunately PICARD turned out to be set in the same period, so it derailed my plans, although later I did figure out a way to explain the considerable differences in the Prime Universe. After the first two seasons of high pressure I thought I would have seen more growth. Youve got to hand it to Harry Kim. Wasnt it Saru who made Tilly the First Officer? BTW, I know this is waaaaaay off topic, but since you are the literary Trek lover on this site and keep up with a lot of the books, do you think Prodigy is going to use some of Kirsten Beyers Full Circle Voyager story lines? No, from Starfleets POV its 3 years. Paradise was most likely referring to the shows production and creative teams. Everybody does NOT love Tilly. If that scene reflects something she regularly incorporates into her real-life, then I think she will be just fine and she can tell the haters to go pound salt. Weve seen a lot of big men in Star Trek but no big girls. Good for Mary! The show will roll out on Paramount Plus in the US, and is expected to stream on Netflix elsewhere. Shes only competent because of her character shield, shes mentally and emotionally immature, out of shape for the job shes in and the role she wanted to perform, and would barely survive in a high school, let alone in any capacity at an actual Starfleet. 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But the show almost seems to go out of its way every season for some of the dumbest story points you can think of. Therefore, I love her. All are different. If Tilly needed to pick up a phaser or be physically active then that means the Discovery is in some serious shit, with it either having been boarded and their entire security personnel neutralised, or with Tilly separated from the ship, most like due to its destruction. I just dont remember if it was something I read years ago or if it was in an interview with Gene. Im proud to see that shes proud of herself. And Im even more embarrassed by this, but Ive never watched any of the Stargate shows. Perhaps season four will address Burnham and Tillys unreadiness on more than an emotional level. Mary Wiseman is sending the message that your body is your own, your responsibility, and nobody elses business, not any sort of health and fitness message. I always have to correct it, so its not terribly efficient. Why wouldnt someone want to be more like that? Well second most after Burnam , she was fine in season 1 and 2.past 2 seasons theyve rushed her character developmentsame with michael.the vulcan minded human became human real fast. They made an insensitive statement about her body and called her a promoter of an unhealthy lifestyle. Why do you think being nervous or anxious means that you can not graduate from the academy? I just hope now that she has been made captain, all her baggage will be finally gone. It is also available on Netflix in 190 countries around the world. While Im excited to get back to the 32nd century and see whats changed since season 3 Im still not excited for the season itself. This is rare case were I actually agree with Lorma. I would imagine those who liked Barclay probably include a large portion of those who like Tilly. I never thought of Adira as being all that similar, but I see your point. I personally have battled weight issues all my life since high school and when I am eating healthy and trainng hard, I feel great and can do almost anything (power skating, fast hockey, tons of physical activity) meanwhile the opposite is true when I let myself go (and that does happen). The show had its official opening on Monday, March 21st, and is currently set to run through April 24. During the 1st season, Michael helped Tilly to gain confidence and then continued to nurture that confidence through . While not getting specific about if or where we will see Tilly again, Wiseman also hinted the finale was not the end of her story: Tilly is not somebody who lets people leave her life. I assume my feelings towards them are what Wesley-haters endure. Actually, the production team is not helping either. Thank you for your counter opinion. Thats just a matter of preference. A Stitch in Time kicks off the Garak/Cardassian books and is excellent. Shes changed. A rare, successful example of this is James Gunns Guardians otG and Suicide Squad, in which a similar premise is treated comedically yet with a touch of sincerity, so as not to devolve into outright farce. Other ships having counselors in the TNG era was mentioned. Stupid decision to bring her back. The audience is growing due to our amazing loyalty, but I give them credit toobecause Discovery, we have all these new shows. When Mary Wiseman's Lt. Sylvia Tilly left the USS Discovery for a job at the new Starfleet Academy in the fourth episode of season four, it was promised she would be back. But it looks like TG47 answered your question! Then that very well could be something for not just women but everyone to aspire towards. Just underused. For me, generally speaking, when Barclay or Trois mom appeared it signaled a terrible episode in advance. And to have somebody step in and defend you is really meaningful. They have solved some of these issues the easy way by talking themselves out of it (Klingon hair, holograms, Ariam being no android at all), now that we are in the future none of it really matters anymore. KevinB: Oh, I agree with you, in the sense that nothing is perfect and there are flaws and issues here and there. Tillys journey has helped me over the last few years. I can see myself having a few bottles of synthehol with him. Being encouraged to eat only what ones body needs is another thing entirely. How is she supposed to sound considering nobody knows what people in the 23rd century will talk like? Plenty of curvy ladies are quite healthy and active. It is not yet known what role, if any, Wisemans Tilly would have in the upcoming season, with possibilities ranging from guest or recurring character to becoming a series regular again. Even though she's still in the final season of Starfleet Aacademy studies She was assigned to the USS Discovery to get some practical experience. And I know Chakotay was also Captain on Voyager in those books as well. The following contains spoilers from Star Trek: Discovery's Season 4 finale. Would a woman watching this aspire to be a Tilly or aspire to be a Dax, Kira or Janeway? I think others that make such claims are having their own feel feels hurt or nostalgia rattled. While Tilly had big dreams in Star Trek: Discovery season 1, she struggled with feelings of inadequacy and was hindered by a social awkwardness that often left her feeling like an outsider. At New York Comic Con, TrekMovie participated in some group interviews with members of the cast and crew, one of which was with the pair-up of Mary Wiseman (Tilly) and David Ajala (Book). Look at the progression of Nog on DS9 from Quarks juvenile-delinquent nephew in season 1 to Starfleet Ensign in the Dominion War on how writers can make you believe in a characters growth and progression. Promoting her to the first officer was stupid enough, but now shes leading at the Academy? )Granted, I think the special effects, space battles, bizarre technology and explosions are the proverbial tail wagging the dog, but thats always been the case, and is increasingly expected in these post-Star Wars, high tech decades. CBS/Paramount+ For Wiseman's Tilly, the danger and near-loss of all the cadets, including Adira (Blu del Barrio) forces her. That promise was. Tillys a fantastic character. Neither were annoying. But I would like to read some of the TNG books Ive heard about, especially the Destiny series which I know is a big crossover with all the classic shows and the Borg. Do I want to be Barclay or Harry Kim? I let go of my preconceptions about what star trek is. Maybe its just me, but I dont really care about women or mens weight on TV shows, I dont care for negative comments on them by haters, but neither do I care for the actors/actresses making such a whiney big deal about it. Mary Wiseman has established herself as a talented actor on Star Trek: Discovery. It was the fall of 2017 and my non-Trekkie wife, Lisa, had begrudgingly agreed to watch Star Trek: Discovery with me, having heard me talk nonstop about how excited I was for Trek's return to TV.We were on the third episode, "Context is for Kings," when she appeared. Her body shape is fabulousshe is gorgeous. I think Mary is doing a fantastic job as isSonequa, Their characters are fantastic as are all the others. Theyve written Tilly as just the straight oh theres Tilly for the jokes. Thats a crumpet I want to butter. [laughter], David Ajala as Book and Sonequa Martin-Green as Michael in episode 401 Kobayashi Maru. But the nu left that this show panders to cant accept any opinion that isnt in agreement with it so they try to immediately invalidate it. Mary Wiseman as Captain Killy in Terra Firma, Part 2. Gotta side with Sascha here. Everyone in the world do not look and act the same if it was for me, it would be a very boring uninterested world. I see them as similar. Wiseman had other things to do. Please dont ban me!). Overweight and obesity are a leading health risk identified by the World Health Organization. Yes I forgot David Mack is a consultant on this show too and is well aware of all the post-Nemesis stories in the novels. Its shall we say very variable. Sense of morals. How blandly Puritan. And it all happened OFF SCREEN! You had a variety of body shapes on discovery Tilly was thick. By: Laurie Ulster But I have to say, when they named her Killy, it made the already off-kilter character even more ridiculous. Ive seen people here and on other message boards body-shame Ms.Wiseman, and its disgusting. Can Picard go round the sun once more and rescue Saru from Discovery? What accent? But to play the Devils Advocate here for a moment Tilly as she was originally presented and continued to be for quite some time is not something most women would aspire to be I should think. I see those things and they hurt me because Im a person. Hopefully next season they will be given more development. The actress also discussed how Killy inspires some fans: Killy is somebody whos very important to a lot of fans, especially my curvy women out there who like to see another full-figured, fat, curvy, chunky woman get to feel powerful and use that size to command authority, said Wiseman. She only graduated from SA herself at the end of season 1. Up ahead, we explain what happened to Tilly in the recent episode and also discuss actor Mary Wiseman's status on the show. Typical. She is a real girl. Of course my original statement still stands regarding Tilly becoming Sarus Number One. It is incredibly bad and is a publicly dangerous message to be sending. Of all the issues I have with Star Trek Discovery, Mary Wiseman/Tilly is definitely not among them. Wait I havent watched season 4, nor will I ever after the stupidity that was season 3 But now shes a leader at the academy?! ..I have a total girl crush. Did Tilly on Discovery gain weight? So I was also just very excited for the fans. Even 1,000 years into the future, Burham cannotoh well, that is a different story for a different post. You either think about what you can contribute to society or how society owes you handouts, respect for above-mentioned bad habits, fictitious pronouns even. But my point was that she rarely conveyed anything useful or something that was not already obvious to all. What I should point out though is that Mack earned the moniker Angel of Death among the Litverse fans. Nah Book is Boba Fett and I want to see the spin-off series THE BOOK OF BOOK :-). Tilly looks great and her weight is a not a issue. Keep up with all the news and reviews from the newStar Trek Universe on TV at TrekMovie.com. I think theres room for it. Perhaps they had a second or third language that they use regularly. All Access Star Trek Podcast, Discovery, DS9, Lower Decks, Section 31, Star Trek 4, Star Trek: Picard, Star Trek: Prodigy, Strange New Worlds. Her character Tilly is not my favorite on the show but body shaming is a shameful act by itself. The immaturity of body shaming anyone is hateful and unacceptable. The mirror Tilly and the ISS Discovery appear in the "Mirror of Discovery" storyline in Star Trek Online, as part of the game's 9th anniversary in January 2019; she is voiced by Mary Wiseman, who also . I guess making Tilly first officer isnt anywhere close to ridiculous as making KT Kirk a Captain who was still a cadet and had probably spent 2 weeks in space before he got the jobbut its pretty damn close. So it has been hard, and its really hard to avoid, because it pops up on all the [social media] accounts, or people comment on my posts with cruel, unscientific comments. Any accent would be acceptable for a time that hasnt happened yet. I notice that for whatever reason certain words will trigger the language to switch to French on my phone, and then I have to go back and correct everything. I would prefer to finish the rest of Prodigy first season instead. I hope were able to explore it because theres potential for great levity, but then also really important conversations to be had because when you care about someone you dont want to see them go through pain, and I can see completely how Tilly will be very protective of Michael Burnham. In CanadaDiscoveryis broadcast on CTV Sci-Fi Channel and streams on Crave. It feels the only reason was to have a non-binary character, which after a few episodes ended up fading into the background with the rest of the furniture anyway. So I think we pick up with her after some time has passed since the events of that season, but shes still sort of not really sure what to make of it, and everything that used to be really comfortable isnt sitting as comfortably as it used to if that makes sense. For now, Wiseman is busy starring in the new comedy play At the Wedding at the Lincoln Center Theater in New York. She gets up in the morning and lives with a purpose, helping her crewmates, and ready to make the ultimate sacrifice if necessary. Shes a little overweighed, so what? And we saw the results of all that. I have this image in my head of the EPs saying to Mack that theyd like species that havent been main characters in other shows and asking him to give a list of options for a big and strong species, a species without a bianary gender etc. Someone with a lack of intelligence throws a race card at every debate. I just wonder if maybe they are adapting the basic idea to what we are seeing in Prodigy since the Protostar couldve been part of the Full Circle program and was sent back to the DQ for a specific mission? I think the CW has been using something like this for years. Star Trek: Discovery's Mary Wiseman and Blu del Barrio reflect on their character's journeys and the possibilities ahead.